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You can still have 10 different providers with advertising.

Although I agree more competition will act as a counter to spoiling the experience with advertising.


It won’t when the money runs out.

Fight fire with fire

Thats also supposedly what google search should do, and especially fb (and social media), yet it still feels generic

Yep agree video ads will be a thing. Will add it for a next version

Right now, the major AI providers are spending Investment $$$s, this will change when they need to become profitable.

And several of them now need to make a trillion dollars.

This will happen! (difficult to show in a quick demo that you view for like 10 seconds)

It will happen slowly over time:

1) start with a notification that ads are coming (already there) 2) adding 1 ad to start with 3) slowly increase ads 4) make it a huge part of the experience (like Google now)


2) Go elsewhere.

3) Private equity buys the company, and turns the screws on the sticky users until blood comes out of the tap.

4) eulogies on the front page of HN


I think you meant 'elegy'.

A lot of the text on 99helpers is very new, and needs more polish. So I get your point.

What does Poland have to do with this?!

Polish as in shine (or is this a joke)?

WHOOOOOSH

Or (and I'm saying this as someone in the EU): It should say that this feature is not available in the EU.

Better yet, display a pop-up with a generic Varnish 403 page in an iframe saying your IP was blocked, local American media style

Yes, I think so too. But I wanted to show this very OBVIOUSLY in an instant.

I think the most powerful part of ads in AI/LLMs is going to be subtle suggestions in responses from AI, so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc.


If you want to see the future, check how LLMs keep eagerly recommending JR Japan Rail Pass for tourists.

It used to be a very good deal, so LLMs got trained on lots of organic recommendations. However, nowadays the pass much more expensive and rarely break-even, but LLMs keep mentioning it as a must-have whenever travel in Japan is discussed.


> so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc.

The scary part: they are already doing that. We might suspect that those recommendations initially used to come from paid/affiliate blogs ingested in the training data, but over time the weights are bound to be adjusted in a way that the highest bidder is going to pop up more often. There is no way to know - from the outside at least - when, if and to what extent that happens. And it all happens under the guise of plausible deniability.

Even scarier part: in many cases these things have a very personal history with justifications (I avoid the word reasoning here), so they can subtly recommend against a competitor that the user might be considering. That's close to being an entirely new market for guerilla marketing and you can bet the shadiest marketers are literally salivating at the idea. "Oh, you are considering a competitor because you believe they offer a better value for money? Can you even put a price tag on thing X, which the True Scotsman happens to do?"


This isn’t how deep learning works. You can’t just “adjust weights” for some random user/product.

I feel like even otherwise intelligent people these days think these chatbots are Westworld-like programmable AIs and not pieces of shit that barely run or work. There is no tech monolith that’s getting advanced and gaining new capabilities. There are some very smart people who have switched from building ad recommenders or autonomous vehicles to building KV caches and reinforcement learning systems, and then in a different department there are the same people who built ads systems at whatever big tech company that will build the same shit at OAI etc.


You don't need to adjust the weights. Just have it query a vector database of current ad campaigns to find a PROMPT.md to inject when the context is relevant. e.g. user is talking about camping -> lookup ad campaign documents relevant to camping (e.g. with embeddings) -> inject prompt about the campaign. This is all basically obvious if you've been using SKILL.md for agents at work.

Isn't that literally what post-training/fine-tuning does?

It means you can't crank up the knob on "burger king recommendations" for instance.

> so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc

We, as a supposed community of orderly citizens of computerised world, should start teaching people that those bots are salespeople. Most people do not trust door to door salesmen and this is worse. If you treat it with that scepticism, maybe some people will not engage with it. Then again, there will always be those who get caught in the net.


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